A Fair Appraisal Of The Democrats & Veterans Party

Marv Hollingworth

Kipper Central Deputy Editor

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13 Responses

  1. Peter Harvey says:

    I agree wholeheartedly regarding the ones who stand for leadership in an election, lose democratically, then move elsewhere. This just shows they have personal ambitions & not party ambition. I still think UKIP can become a relevant force in British politics & my optimism makes sure I remain true to them.
    Here’s to the future

  2. Barrie says:

    Vote for any Brexit backing Independent in May to register your disgust for the political class. Ukip are an undemocratic Party they choose leaders from minority interests ignore the grassroots who have been absolutely ignored by the corrupted NEC in Ukip.

  3. Malcolm Bell says:

    Whilst I admire the optimism of any who feel strongly enough to start their own party I cannot help but feel that all they do is splinter the support for Brexit into lots of little parties. Much better to set aside the differences – agree the matters in agreement – and concentrate on those.

    • NickC says:

      Malcolm, I believe you are right. No party will perfectly suit everyone in it. Differences between people are bound to exist since we are all individuals. There is a lack of tolerance and solidarity especially by the big names that have left UKIP and are setting up in competition. As others have said I find it distasteful that a senior member should contest for leadership of UKIP then jump ship when s/he democratically loses.

  4. forthurst says:

    D&V is one of several UKIPlets which have launched recently. However, it is the only one which appears to understand what being a political party actually involves; the rest seem to think that all they have to do is register a new party, publish a manifesto on a webpage, set up a twitter account, and the members and subscriptions will pour in: fat chance.

    JRE is an able individual, far more so than those who beat him in the recent leadership contest so it understandable that he lost patience with UKIP whose problem is that although it contains able individuals, mostly they have no more chance of rising to the top than chance when the majority of members make their selections based upon nothing other than the contents of the idiotic Independence magazine or imputed competence as a result of being an MEP or Assembly member.

  5. Rob Bryant says:

    I find it very annoying when names are not named, and issues clouding matters are not explained. So who were these ‘people’ and what were they walking stiff-leggedly around so they don’t talk to each other.
    There are several self-inflicted problems holding UKIP back at the moment. One is the precious refusal to admit as members those who have belonged to supposed ‘nasty’ parties in the past, or have committed ‘alleged’ crimes against the party, or rather, senior members of the party, and we all know we’ve been damaged by them in the past. So what? The Tories, Labour and LibDems have admitted members in each of those ‘nasty’ parties and they have not been struck by thunderbolts.
    Janice Atkinson should have an apology and asked, nay begged, to come back. But Mike Hookham won’t have her back. The way he responded to this request at Gloucester shows a closed mind. Why, just because he’s a Yorkshireman and thus knows better than all the rest of UKIP? The same goes with Tommy Robinson, who fights a good fight and would be an asset to us. UKIP needs all the friends it can get.
    Once again its the head that is against the grassroots, and that will mean we will be weakened in the struggle to get our country back.

  6. MIKE MAUNDER says:

    It makes no sense at all for Parties with the same main agenda, to fight each other. All that does is to please the opposition by splitting the vote, for leaving the EU. At some point there will be dominance to one of us, and good sense should come to prevail by getting behind the main Party. I am UKIP, mainly because they have been around longer, and the manifesto is top draw. For the time being I wish DVP well. I am also being courted by ‘Leave EU’ with their request for money, but as I have told them, I am UKIP and any money available will go to my Party of choice !

  7. Ian says:

    I think this article shows precisely why so many former UKIP candidates, officials and members felt the need to become involved in founding the Democrats and Veterans Party. That is a fundamental lack of understanding, by the article’s author and others, of the problems within the structure of UKIP – especially the corruption and political inertia at the highest level of the party. Those two factors have totally destroyed the UKIP activist base in large swathes of the country, especially Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and the North East of England. Concerns have been raised since early 2015, but the result has been the entrenchment of the individuals causing the problems and attracting the mockery – Hamilton, Carswell, Reckless, Bolton, Bown, Duffy to name a few. The party mechanism has proven itself incapable of selecting a Leader with a vision of the future, the future beyond Brexit. UKIP has no next big idea! That is exactly why it is better to start from scratch and endure a few teething problems, compared to the cancer surgery, radiation therapy and chemotherapy that might be necessary to cleanse the UKIP hierarchy and give the party a new lease of life. The long suffering, loyal membership has deserved better much better from those who seek to play at politics within the current corrupt structure.

    Personally, I only joined UKIP with the greatest of reservations and after a long period of deliberation. It was obvious back then that the party was unprofessionally managed, had a Constitution that was logically inconsistent and politically was reliant of the charismatic force of one man. However, as someone determined to once again secure the sovereignty of the UK, in 2014 there was no other party to join and stand as a candidate for – 5 times. Fortunately whilst in UKIP I came across others who shared a larger, radical vision for changing the UK’s entire political fabric to remove/reform the structures that breed corruption and betray the people. It is sad that some similar corrupted and corrupting people still exercise considerable influence within UKIP. Direct Democracy is that next logical political step, Brexit was step one.

    • MIKE MAUNDER says:

      Many of the views that you have expressed Ian, I find no fault with at all. However, we are now all where we are and must get on with it. If we check historically on all the other Parties, we will find that at their start, and many through their life, have had problems to different degrees, even real splits have been recorded. UKIP is no different in that respect, but the strength of a Party is the ability to deal with it, and then to carry on. You could almost see it as a refiners fire, and without that experience a political Party remains dull and blunt. On this point, I am certain about UKIP !

  8. Roger Gough says:

    I speak from the position of being someone who was at the Sheffield meeting with a UKIP membership if 15 yrs behind me. And that’s where it’ll stay. I’ve been prepared to forgive UKIP many of their deficiencies but the long view shows that they have betrayed their members to an unforgiveable degree. Their contribution to the Referendum campaign (as opposed to that of the members) was negligible and shameful. No mention at all of Coudenhove-Kalergi or Barcelona. Many UKIP members – much less the public – know nothing of these subjects. That is failure. It will continue because the organisers of UKIP are unwilling to change or take on new ideas and there is no complaints procedure to help change it. DVP’s website shows organisation as it should be. Finally, to suggest that anyone standing as leader of UKIP and who lost is somehow ‘traitorous’ or is is debarred from joining another party is so naive as to be ignorant. Churchill changed political sides many, many times and look where it got him. I wish DVP every possible success – they have members and leaders who seem to appreciate the task ahead and are committed to tackling it head on. They have a vision that is achievable.

  9. Ian Williams says:

    Yes, we have had our problems as a party, but we have been around for 25 years! Do you really think that DVP is going to make a difference to us?
    And yes we have to get our act together and that is what we in Wales are doing by organising a grassroots meeting for all members in Wales. This grassroots conference will be in Builth Wells on the 19th April under the right of free association. This is to drive the party in Wales, that has been lacking in leadership since the assembly elections.
    The conference will discuss a structure for Wales and policies along with issues that are of concern to members in Wales and I am sure all members wherever the come from. You can organise a similar conference yourselves in your Counties.
    In regards to JRE, I have always liked the man, and he did considerable work for UKIP in Wales, and was sorry he chose not to stand and fight!

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